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		<title>By: The Big Answers, Part I at Steven Landsburg &#124; The Big Questions: Tackling the Problems of Philosophy with Ideas from Mathematics, Economics, and Physics</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigquestions.com/2009/11/23/snidely-whiplash/comment-page-1/#comment-1145</link>
		<dc:creator>The Big Answers, Part I at Steven Landsburg &#124; The Big Questions: Tackling the Problems of Philosophy with Ideas from Mathematics, Economics, and Physics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Answer: I&#8217;ve answered this one here. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Landsburg</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigquestions.com/2009/11/23/snidely-whiplash/comment-page-1/#comment-1052</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Landsburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 06:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RL:  The solution I&#039;ve given assumes that costs and preferences are stable over time.  Students in economics classes know that these are always the default assumptions in problems like this.  You are right that without those assumptions, the solution I&#039;ve given would not apply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RL:  The solution I&#8217;ve given assumes that costs and preferences are stable over time.  Students in economics classes know that these are always the default assumptions in problems like this.  You are right that without those assumptions, the solution I&#8217;ve given would not apply.</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigquestions.com/2009/11/23/snidely-whiplash/comment-page-1/#comment-1051</link>
		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 06:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But (and here is a subtle but key point) we know those five bagels cost him less than they were worth to you, because of the fact that he’s been willing to sell them to you in the past.&quot;

Prof Landsburg: People&#039;s preferences change. Does it matter if the reason Snidely is raising the price of bagels is because his opportunity costs for bagels increased (say, because he found he had a greater hankering for bagels than in the past)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But (and here is a subtle but key point) we know those five bagels cost him less than they were worth to you, because of the fact that he’s been willing to sell them to you in the past.&#8221;</p>
<p>Prof Landsburg: People&#8217;s preferences change. Does it matter if the reason Snidely is raising the price of bagels is because his opportunity costs for bagels increased (say, because he found he had a greater hankering for bagels than in the past)?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Landsburg</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigquestions.com/2009/11/23/snidely-whiplash/comment-page-1/#comment-917</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Landsburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PB:  Perhaps your point is that with downward sloping demands for both groceries and square footage, there might be no way for Snidely to extract all the excess surplus---in which case some amount of monopoly pricing in each market might be optimal.  If so, I agree, and a student who argued thus would deserve full credit and more.  But it still seems to me that the natural vision is that nothing stops Snidely from offering a single standard (and optimally) sized home and chargint the amount that extracts all the excess surplus.

Of course, you could argue that he could do the same thing in the grocery market---offering a single standard sized package of groceries and extracting all his surplus there instead of in housing.  But by posing the question as a choice between setting a high or a low grocery price, the problem implicitly rules out this kind of bundling.

In summary:  It&#039;s got to be optimal for Snidely to offer either a single standard-sized grocery package or a single standard-sized home; either way he gets all the surplus. . The wording of the problem seems to rule out the former, which leaves us with the latter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PB:  Perhaps your point is that with downward sloping demands for both groceries and square footage, there might be no way for Snidely to extract all the excess surplus&#8212;in which case some amount of monopoly pricing in each market might be optimal.  If so, I agree, and a student who argued thus would deserve full credit and more.  But it still seems to me that the natural vision is that nothing stops Snidely from offering a single standard (and optimally) sized home and chargint the amount that extracts all the excess surplus.</p>
<p>Of course, you could argue that he could do the same thing in the grocery market&#8212;offering a single standard sized package of groceries and extracting all his surplus there instead of in housing.  But by posing the question as a choice between setting a high or a low grocery price, the problem implicitly rules out this kind of bundling.</p>
<p>In summary:  It&#8217;s got to be optimal for Snidely to offer either a single standard-sized grocery package or a single standard-sized home; either way he gets all the surplus. . The wording of the problem seems to rule out the former, which leaves us with the latter.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Landsburg</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigquestions.com/2009/11/23/snidely-whiplash/comment-page-1/#comment-916</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Landsburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PB:  I continue to claim that this is the natural baseline model, since any alternative introduces additional complications that don&#039;t change the outcome and don&#039;t illuminate the fundamental point.  Of course that&#039;s partly a matter of taste, so we can disagree about that.

But in pretty much *any* model, the point is this:  Snidely has to give the residents some total amount of surplus; otherwise they&#039;ll leave town.  That means he gets to keep all of the social surplus, minus the constant amount he&#039;s got to give the residents.  To maximize (total surplus minus a constant) it is necessary and sufficient to maximize total surplus.  Monopoly pricing fails to maximize total surplus, so it can&#039;t be the right strategy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PB:  I continue to claim that this is the natural baseline model, since any alternative introduces additional complications that don&#8217;t change the outcome and don&#8217;t illuminate the fundamental point.  Of course that&#8217;s partly a matter of taste, so we can disagree about that.</p>
<p>But in pretty much *any* model, the point is this:  Snidely has to give the residents some total amount of surplus; otherwise they&#8217;ll leave town.  That means he gets to keep all of the social surplus, minus the constant amount he&#8217;s got to give the residents.  To maximize (total surplus minus a constant) it is necessary and sufficient to maximize total surplus.  Monopoly pricing fails to maximize total surplus, so it can&#8217;t be the right strategy.</p>
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		<title>By: PB</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigquestions.com/2009/11/23/snidely-whiplash/comment-page-1/#comment-915</link>
		<dc:creator>PB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Under the assumption you&#039;ve given, which is fixed demand, I agree with the original conclusion. 

In this model, the inhabitants are apparently completely indifferent to quality or additional space. Not only has Snidely managed to impose a monopoly price, but he has been able to do this without limiting consumption or total social value. However, we can&#039;t say that he is holding the price above the competitive market price, since this model is so strange that there is no price which could be described as the competitive market price. All of these make the model seem weird to me, but I&#039;ll concede that if you take this model, it has the behaviour you describe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Under the assumption you&#8217;ve given, which is fixed demand, I agree with the original conclusion. </p>
<p>In this model, the inhabitants are apparently completely indifferent to quality or additional space. Not only has Snidely managed to impose a monopoly price, but he has been able to do this without limiting consumption or total social value. However, we can&#8217;t say that he is holding the price above the competitive market price, since this model is so strange that there is no price which could be described as the competitive market price. All of these make the model seem weird to me, but I&#8217;ll concede that if you take this model, it has the behaviour you describe.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Landsburg</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigquestions.com/2009/11/23/snidely-whiplash/comment-page-1/#comment-866</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Landsburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PB:  The assumptions are that in order to live in the Yukon Territory, you must have one house, that a second house is of no additional value, and that there are a fixed number of houses that Snidely provides at zero marginal cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PB:  The assumptions are that in order to live in the Yukon Territory, you must have one house, that a second house is of no additional value, and that there are a fixed number of houses that Snidely provides at zero marginal cost.</p>
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		<title>By: PB</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigquestions.com/2009/11/23/snidely-whiplash/comment-page-1/#comment-865</link>
		<dc:creator>PB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve Landsburg: I do not believe there is any housing supply curve which is consistant with both the demand curves we have considered and the situation you have described. 

Are you confusing fixed supply with fixed demand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Landsburg: I do not believe there is any housing supply curve which is consistant with both the demand curves we have considered and the situation you have described. </p>
<p>Are you confusing fixed supply with fixed demand?</p>
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		<title>By: Bennett Haselton</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigquestions.com/2009/11/23/snidely-whiplash/comment-page-1/#comment-855</link>
		<dc:creator>Bennett Haselton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the comments about a &quot;double monopoly&quot; --

Just to be clear, this isn&#039;t technically a &quot;double monopoly&quot; situation, is it?  Snidely doesn&#039;t technically have a monopoly on housing, since people can live in other towns, but once people choose to live in his town, he then has a monopoly on groceries.  So it&#039;s analogous to the movie theater / popcorn situation.  Is there a technical term for that, like a &quot;consequential monopoly&quot;?

Or in terms of tollbooths, it&#039;s as if there are multiple bridges competing for drivers&#039; business to get across the same river -- once a driver chooses a bridge, the bridge owner could put another tollbooth at the other end of the bridge and they&#039;d have a &quot;monopoly&quot; on getting off their bridge, but they wouldn&#039;t make any more than if they charged the same total at the first tollbooth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the comments about a &#8220;double monopoly&#8221; &#8211;</p>
<p>Just to be clear, this isn&#8217;t technically a &#8220;double monopoly&#8221; situation, is it?  Snidely doesn&#8217;t technically have a monopoly on housing, since people can live in other towns, but once people choose to live in his town, he then has a monopoly on groceries.  So it&#8217;s analogous to the movie theater / popcorn situation.  Is there a technical term for that, like a &#8220;consequential monopoly&#8221;?</p>
<p>Or in terms of tollbooths, it&#8217;s as if there are multiple bridges competing for drivers&#8217; business to get across the same river &#8212; once a driver chooses a bridge, the bridge owner could put another tollbooth at the other end of the bridge and they&#8217;d have a &#8220;monopoly&#8221; on getting off their bridge, but they wouldn&#8217;t make any more than if they charged the same total at the first tollbooth.</p>
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		<title>By: Weekend Roundup at Steven Landsburg &#124; The Big Questions: Tackling the Problems of Philosophy with Ideas from Mathematics, Economics, and Physics</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigquestions.com/2009/11/23/snidely-whiplash/comment-page-1/#comment-818</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekend Roundup at Steven Landsburg &#124; The Big Questions: Tackling the Problems of Philosophy with Ideas from Mathematics, Economics, and Physics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 07:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] started the week with the solution to one problem from Part I of my honors exam; I still owe you answers to the remaining four questions, and I still [...]</description>
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