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		<title>By: Happy 99th Birthday, Ronald Coase &#171; Economics Info</title>
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		<dc:creator>Happy 99th Birthday, Ronald Coase &#171; Economics Info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would be the economic result (in Coase&#039;s view) of property rights allocated as Henry George suggested?  

Letting sparks fly freely from the train would increase the value of the railroad by decreasing costs, but decrease the value of the farmland (the farmer might choose to leave the area by the track clear, or plant less flammable crops, change the use to something else entirely, like mining, or vacate the property altogether). Restricting the sparks from the railroad would raise costs and decrease the value of the right of way, but increase the value of the farmland, since it could be put to its most efficient use. 

Under a system of land value taxation, rather than requiring the owner of the railroad to negotiate with every farmer on his route, or requiring the state to figure out who should be given what property right to start with, the state would attempt to maximize the net tax revenue (total tax revenue minus transaction costs), which would tend to maximize the overall land value. If the farmer paid a land value tax for his farm, and the railroad paid an LVT for the right of way, it would be in the interest of the state to maximize the value of both, because that would maximize the tax collected.

(Full disclosure: my economic interests tend to be a bit eclectic. :) )

I did see an interesting discussion from a while back that dealt with some of this:
http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/coase_landtheory.html
but I was wondering what other insights might be brought to bear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would be the economic result (in Coase&#8217;s view) of property rights allocated as Henry George suggested?  </p>
<p>Letting sparks fly freely from the train would increase the value of the railroad by decreasing costs, but decrease the value of the farmland (the farmer might choose to leave the area by the track clear, or plant less flammable crops, change the use to something else entirely, like mining, or vacate the property altogether). Restricting the sparks from the railroad would raise costs and decrease the value of the right of way, but increase the value of the farmland, since it could be put to its most efficient use. </p>
<p>Under a system of land value taxation, rather than requiring the owner of the railroad to negotiate with every farmer on his route, or requiring the state to figure out who should be given what property right to start with, the state would attempt to maximize the net tax revenue (total tax revenue minus transaction costs), which would tend to maximize the overall land value. If the farmer paid a land value tax for his farm, and the railroad paid an LVT for the right of way, it would be in the interest of the state to maximize the value of both, because that would maximize the tax collected.</p>
<p>(Full disclosure: my economic interests tend to be a bit eclectic. :) )</p>
<p>I did see an interesting discussion from a while back that dealt with some of this:<br />
<a href="http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/coase_landtheory.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/coase_landtheory.html</a><br />
but I was wondering what other insights might be brought to bear.</p>
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		<title>By: CapitalistImperialistPig</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigquestions.com/2009/12/29/happy-99th-birthday-ronald-coase/comment-page-1/#comment-1536</link>
		<dc:creator>CapitalistImperialistPig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading McCloskey, I have a higher opinion of Coase&#039;s point.  About Steve&#039;s exposition of that point, not so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading McCloskey, I have a higher opinion of Coase&#8217;s point.  About Steve&#8217;s exposition of that point, not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Landsburg</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigquestions.com/2009/12/29/happy-99th-birthday-ronald-coase/comment-page-1/#comment-1535</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Landsburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CIP:  I&#039;m not sure what you mean by the &quot;Coasean alternatives&quot;; the whole point of Coase&#039;s paper, after all, is to insist that practical considerations trump theory.   Do you care to elaborate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CIP:  I&#8217;m not sure what you mean by the &#8220;Coasean alternatives&#8221;; the whole point of Coase&#8217;s paper, after all, is to insist that practical considerations trump theory.   Do you care to elaborate?</p>
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		<title>By: CapitalistImperialistPig</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigquestions.com/2009/12/29/happy-99th-birthday-ronald-coase/comment-page-1/#comment-1534</link>
		<dc:creator>CapitalistImperialistPig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once again am amazed by what passes as a &quot;Nobel&quot; worthy insight in economics.  It&#039;s certainly no surprise to see that society makes choices of on whom the costs of externalities should be imposed - typically on the politically and economically weak.  I wonder if it&#039;s significant that the Coasean alternatives are so manifestly impractical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once again am amazed by what passes as a &#8220;Nobel&#8221; worthy insight in economics.  It&#8217;s certainly no surprise to see that society makes choices of on whom the costs of externalities should be imposed &#8211; typically on the politically and economically weak.  I wonder if it&#8217;s significant that the Coasean alternatives are so manifestly impractical.</p>
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		<title>By: uberVU - social comments</title>
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		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 05:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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This post was mentioned on Twitter by StevenLandsburg: Happy 99th Birthday, Ronald Coase:  http://www.thebigquestions.com/2009/12/29/happy-99th-birthday-ronald-coase/...</description>
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<p>This post was mentioned on Twitter by StevenLandsburg: Happy 99th Birthday, Ronald Coase:  <a href="http://www.thebigquestions.com/2009/12/29/happy-99th-birthday-ronald-coase/..." rel="nofollow">http://www.thebigquestions.com/2009/12/29/happy-99th-birthday-ronald-coase/&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Silas Barta</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigquestions.com/2009/12/29/happy-99th-birthday-ronald-coase/comment-page-1/#comment-1491</link>
		<dc:creator>Silas Barta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*revs Harley motorcycle too loudly for Steven_Landsburg to think while technically not violating any law or property right*

*waits for Steven_Landsburg to pay me to go away or otherwise recognize the superficiality of his Coasean analysis*

*&lt;a href=&quot;http://silasx.blogspot.com/2008/12/setting-externalities-straight-elephant.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;provides link&lt;/a&gt; elaborating this point*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*revs Harley motorcycle too loudly for Steven_Landsburg to think while technically not violating any law or property right*</p>
<p>*waits for Steven_Landsburg to pay me to go away or otherwise recognize the superficiality of his Coasean analysis*</p>
<p>*<a href="http://silasx.blogspot.com/2008/12/setting-externalities-straight-elephant.html" rel="nofollow">provides link</a> elaborating this point*</p>
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		<title>By: Assorted Links (12/30/2009) &#8211; Jim Garven&#39;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Assorted Links (12/30/2009) &#8211; Jim Garven&#39;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Steve Landsburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Landsburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan:  No, I think that Coase&#039;s point is deeper than that---it&#039;s not enough to assign a property right; you have to figure out who to assign it to.  (In the absence of transactions costs, it doesnt matter who has the right, but in the presence of transactions costs it can matter very much.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan:  No, I think that Coase&#8217;s point is deeper than that&#8212;it&#8217;s not enough to assign a property right; you have to figure out who to assign it to.  (In the absence of transactions costs, it doesnt matter who has the right, but in the presence of transactions costs it can matter very much.)</p>
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		<title>By: ryan yin</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryan yin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t Coase&#039;s point that two of those Pigovian examples (the railroad &amp; farmer one and the rabbit &amp; lettuce one) aren&#039;t externalities at all, or if they are it&#039;s simply because there aren&#039;t property rights? 

Snorri, I think Xan points to the answer on who formalized the insight (and points to why formalization was problematic ... in the sense of saying almost the opposite of what he had meant to say).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t Coase&#8217;s point that two of those Pigovian examples (the railroad &amp; farmer one and the rabbit &amp; lettuce one) aren&#8217;t externalities at all, or if they are it&#8217;s simply because there aren&#8217;t property rights? </p>
<p>Snorri, I think Xan points to the answer on who formalized the insight (and points to why formalization was problematic &#8230; in the sense of saying almost the opposite of what he had meant to say).</p>
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