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		<title>By: The Big Answers at Steven Landsburg &#124; The Big Questions: Tackling the Problems of Philosophy with Ideas from Mathematics, Economics, and Physics</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigquestions.com/2010/01/15/teasing-your-brain/comment-page-1/#comment-2012</link>
		<dc:creator>The Big Answers at Steven Landsburg &#124; The Big Questions: Tackling the Problems of Philosophy with Ideas from Mathematics, Economics, and Physics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] week, I posed some brain teasers and a riddle about special [...]</description>
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		<title>By: donald</title>
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		<dc:creator>donald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got this far and got stuck. 

It seems Bob cannot win, and his pace during each mile does not matter. According to the conditions, Alice must reach 25.2 miles before Bob (Alice covers this in 25.2 x 8 minutes, Bob in 25.2 x (8 minutes 1 second)). 

Alice will run the last 1 mile in 8 minutes. Bob MUST run the total distance in 8 minutes 1 second, not matter how he varies his speed. 

But Bob was behind Alice with 1 mile to go, exactly 25.2 seconds behind in fact. So, in order for Bob to beat Alice, he must cover the last mile in less than 480-25.2 seconds. Since the distance is a mile, Bob must take 481 seconds to cover the distance. Which places him 26.2 seconds behind Alice at the end. So he cannot win.

He could win if you allow his 481 seconds to cover a mile to include him going past the mile point, turning around and coming back. Thus, he runs each mile in 300 seconds, keeps going past the mile point for a distance, turns around and comes back, and the total time, including the extra distance run, is 481 seconds. Then he is still behind Alice at 25.2 miles, but he runs much faster, gets to the finish before Alice. Of course to satisfy the 481 second mile condition, he would have to keep going past the mile, then turn around and come back. For this to work, you have to define his time per mile based on when he gets back for all but the last mile. For the last mile you time only until he reaches the finish line the first time.

Of course, this is similar to saying that Alice runs at a constant speed, but wanders off course, and ends up running more than 26.2 miles, while Bob runs slower but on course, so he gets there first. Either of these solutions ignores the implications of the problem that both contestants are running in an otherwise conventional manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got this far and got stuck. </p>
<p>It seems Bob cannot win, and his pace during each mile does not matter. According to the conditions, Alice must reach 25.2 miles before Bob (Alice covers this in 25.2 x 8 minutes, Bob in 25.2 x (8 minutes 1 second)). </p>
<p>Alice will run the last 1 mile in 8 minutes. Bob MUST run the total distance in 8 minutes 1 second, not matter how he varies his speed. </p>
<p>But Bob was behind Alice with 1 mile to go, exactly 25.2 seconds behind in fact. So, in order for Bob to beat Alice, he must cover the last mile in less than 480-25.2 seconds. Since the distance is a mile, Bob must take 481 seconds to cover the distance. Which places him 26.2 seconds behind Alice at the end. So he cannot win.</p>
<p>He could win if you allow his 481 seconds to cover a mile to include him going past the mile point, turning around and coming back. Thus, he runs each mile in 300 seconds, keeps going past the mile point for a distance, turns around and comes back, and the total time, including the extra distance run, is 481 seconds. Then he is still behind Alice at 25.2 miles, but he runs much faster, gets to the finish before Alice. Of course to satisfy the 481 second mile condition, he would have to keep going past the mile, then turn around and come back. For this to work, you have to define his time per mile based on when he gets back for all but the last mile. For the last mile you time only until he reaches the finish line the first time.</p>
<p>Of course, this is similar to saying that Alice runs at a constant speed, but wanders off course, and ends up running more than 26.2 miles, while Bob runs slower but on course, so he gets there first. Either of these solutions ignores the implications of the problem that both contestants are running in an otherwise conventional manner.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Kariv</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigquestions.com/2010/01/15/teasing-your-brain/comment-page-1/#comment-1900</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Kariv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For question 1. My stratergy is to choose the number I see if and only if it&#039;s positive. You choose numbers according to some unknown (to me) distribution. Let p be the probability you choose a non-positive number. 

The probability I win = p^2 (1/2)  +2pq + (1-p)^2 (1/2)

i.e. I win if you choose 1 positive and 1 non-positive number and have a 50-50 shot otherwise.

I whacked myself in the head when someone pointed out the the state bordering deleware mnust also have the same border.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For question 1. My stratergy is to choose the number I see if and only if it&#8217;s positive. You choose numbers according to some unknown (to me) distribution. Let p be the probability you choose a non-positive number. </p>
<p>The probability I win = p^2 (1/2)  +2pq + (1-p)^2 (1/2)</p>
<p>i.e. I win if you choose 1 positive and 1 non-positive number and have a 50-50 shot otherwise.</p>
<p>I whacked myself in the head when someone pointed out the the state bordering deleware mnust also have the same border.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought my first (two) posts were eaten by cyberspace, and hence my weird repetitiveness.  I&#039;m seriously not normally this computer illiterate.

Re: Neil

Not quite - you can use the cumulative distribution function for the normal curve, but what that would mean is guessing higher with probability 

98% if quoted 2,
84% if quoted 1, 
50% if quoted 0, 
16% if quoted -1, etc.

That way if A = 1 and B = 2, you win 98% when shown 2, and 16% when shown 1.  Overall, you win 1/2 * (98+16)% = 57% when A = 1 and B = 2.

Just guessing higher for positive numbers fails, for when A = 1 and B = 2, you don&#039;t do better than even.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought my first (two) posts were eaten by cyberspace, and hence my weird repetitiveness.  I&#8217;m seriously not normally this computer illiterate.</p>
<p>Re: Neil</p>
<p>Not quite &#8211; you can use the cumulative distribution function for the normal curve, but what that would mean is guessing higher with probability </p>
<p>98% if quoted 2,<br />
84% if quoted 1,<br />
50% if quoted 0,<br />
16% if quoted -1, etc.</p>
<p>That way if A = 1 and B = 2, you win 98% when shown 2, and 16% when shown 1.  Overall, you win 1/2 * (98+16)% = 57% when A = 1 and B = 2.</p>
<p>Just guessing higher for positive numbers fails, for when A = 1 and B = 2, you don&#8217;t do better than even.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 05:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if Jeffrey is right, I can use the standardized cumulative normal and guess larger if the number quoted is positive and guess smaller if the number quoted is negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if Jeffrey is right, I can use the standardized cumulative normal and guess larger if the number quoted is positive and guess smaller if the number quoted is negative.</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 03:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using the Delaware/Penn. border as an example of a curved border suggests the longitudinal line solution is not in the spirit of the puzzle. I think more likely the answer is the obvious one already provided, to wit the other side of the border, Pennsylvania.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using the Delaware/Penn. border as an example of a curved border suggests the longitudinal line solution is not in the spirit of the puzzle. I think more likely the answer is the obvious one already provided, to wit the other side of the border, Pennsylvania.</p>
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		<title>By: ThomasH</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThomasH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 01:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It depends on Bob’s time x in the first .2 miles of each 1 mile segment.
Bob’s total time is 26/8.02+.2*x
Alice’s time is 26.2/8.0333 =3.2614 hours
Solving for x the time at which the times are the same:
.x =.2/(3.2614-26/8.0333)  = 11.0086 mph

If Bob runs &gt;11.0086 mph in the first .2 miles of each mile segment including 200-26.2 his time will be less than Alice&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It depends on Bob’s time x in the first .2 miles of each 1 mile segment.<br />
Bob’s total time is 26/8.02+.2*x<br />
Alice’s time is 26.2/8.0333 =3.2614 hours<br />
Solving for x the time at which the times are the same:<br />
.x =.2/(3.2614-26/8.0333)  = 11.0086 mph</p>
<p>If Bob runs &gt;11.0086 mph in the first .2 miles of each mile segment including 200-26.2 his time will be less than Alice&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Shea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Shea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave: I like the latitudinal lines, with some qualification.

If you claim the border lies on the surface of the Earth then you run into the problem that the Earth isn’t perfectly spherical. Since this would disqualify every border, including the given example, we should probably exclude local irregularities (hills and valleys). But there’s still the issue that the Earth isn’t really a sphere, but (to much higher approximation) an oblate spheroid. If we consider the Earth to be oblate then this disqualifies the longitudinal lines because they would be elliptical sections and not circle sections. But the  latitudinal lines would still be circle sections, as they are drawn around the Earth’s oblate axis.

Of course, if you treat the Earth as non-sperical then the Delaware / Pennsylvania border is disqualified too, as it would be slightly taco or potato chip shaped. Maybe the latitudinal lines might be the best possible answer.

Finally, if we wanted to be really hard about it then we could include tidal distortions from the moon and the sun, which I’m pretty sure would make it impossible to draw a circle anywhere on the idealized surface of the Earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave: I like the latitudinal lines, with some qualification.</p>
<p>If you claim the border lies on the surface of the Earth then you run into the problem that the Earth isn’t perfectly spherical. Since this would disqualify every border, including the given example, we should probably exclude local irregularities (hills and valleys). But there’s still the issue that the Earth isn’t really a sphere, but (to much higher approximation) an oblate spheroid. If we consider the Earth to be oblate then this disqualifies the longitudinal lines because they would be elliptical sections and not circle sections. But the  latitudinal lines would still be circle sections, as they are drawn around the Earth’s oblate axis.</p>
<p>Of course, if you treat the Earth as non-sperical then the Delaware / Pennsylvania border is disqualified too, as it would be slightly taco or potato chip shaped. Maybe the latitudinal lines might be the best possible answer.</p>
<p>Finally, if we wanted to be really hard about it then we could include tidal distortions from the moon and the sun, which I’m pretty sure would make it impossible to draw a circle anywhere on the idealized surface of the Earth.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant to say, let f(x) be a strictly increasing function between 0 and 1.</description>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the first problem, let f(x) be a strictly increasing function.  If shown x, guess its the larger one with probability f(x).  

To prove that this works, suppose A is less than B.  If shown B, the chance you win is f(B).  If shown A, the chance is 1 - f(A).  So the chance you win is .5 + .5 * (f(B) – f(A)).  But f(x) is increasing, so this is better than even odds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the first problem, let f(x) be a strictly increasing function.  If shown x, guess its the larger one with probability f(x).  </p>
<p>To prove that this works, suppose A is less than B.  If shown B, the chance you win is f(B).  If shown A, the chance is 1 &#8211; f(A).  So the chance you win is .5 + .5 * (f(B) – f(A)).  But f(x) is increasing, so this is better than even odds.</p>
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