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		<title>By: Walt</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigquestions.com/2010/02/09/lockharts-lament/comment-page-1/#comment-3062</link>
		<dc:creator>Walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be nice if more students had teachers with Lockhart&#039;s motivation, subject knowledge, and ability to encourage creativity in in the classroom.  If teachers could spread Lockhart&#039;s appreciation of math far and wide, that would be wonderful.  But where will these teachers come from?  

If the question is not put front and center, we enter a rhetorical world where schools are well supplied with qualified emissaries of a more coherent view of mathematics, and the only thing holding them back is devotion to outdated educational orthodoxy.  Lockhart seems to exist in that world--- unaware that he might not be representative of the norm, and unwilling to make the obvious inference about the practical value of his lamentations.

My understanding of Lockhart&#039;s essay is that it was originally intended mainly for reading by the mathematical or educational communities (however you want to define that) and that the more recent attention it has gotten grew out of various postings on the web (e.g. in Keith Devlin&#039;s MAA column), then the book, and, by now, everywhere (e.g. its recent appearance in Steven Strogatz&#039;s NYT blog).  The shift in audience, from professional to public, makes me uncomfortable.  

I do not think the public is able to distinguish an earnest gripe by someone who has strong subject knowledge (as Lockhart does) from empty demagoguery from someone with no subject knowledge.  It is ironic: Lockhart&#039;s rhetoric of lamentation has a long history of use by politicians moonlighting as educators (or vice versa) in support of pet projects--- modifications of standards, curricula, textbook lists, you name it--- that made education in America exactly what Lockhart finds so troubling.

Pick your least favorite attempt to &quot;change mathematics education in America&quot;.  Among its proponents, do you not find someone offering the lamentation narrative?  This is what&#039;s wrong with education, this is how it should be, and isn&#039;t it tragic that the ignorant and hidebound just don&#039;t get it?  The hallmark of this style is that no attention is paid to legitimate differences of opinion, interests and constraints that genuinely compete with one another and cannot be reconciled, or indeed anything that does not fit into the lamentation narrative.  

Reading comments on various web forums, Lockhart&#039;s essay seems to have gone over as a sort of Rohrschach test for what&#039;s wrong with education.  Anybody can find something they agree with.  Teaching means openness and honesty and loving learning, teaching means talking to students and listening to them... who could disagree with that?  

This is unfortunate.  Reforming educational practice is necessarily controversial.  Even assuming good faith on all sides (so rare in policy disputes), reasonable people will disagree about what should be done and compromises will have to be made.  It is great when math PhDs take the time to participate in these kinds of discussions, but they have much more to offer than this.  

To me, Lockhart&#039;s lament is shop talk among professionals that should have stayed that way.  It is as if someone found a rant around the office cooler so compelling that they printed it in a book and sent it to all employees of a company.  Maybe it doesn&#039;t harm anything, but it doesn&#039;t help, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be nice if more students had teachers with Lockhart&#8217;s motivation, subject knowledge, and ability to encourage creativity in in the classroom.  If teachers could spread Lockhart&#8217;s appreciation of math far and wide, that would be wonderful.  But where will these teachers come from?  </p>
<p>If the question is not put front and center, we enter a rhetorical world where schools are well supplied with qualified emissaries of a more coherent view of mathematics, and the only thing holding them back is devotion to outdated educational orthodoxy.  Lockhart seems to exist in that world&#8212; unaware that he might not be representative of the norm, and unwilling to make the obvious inference about the practical value of his lamentations.</p>
<p>My understanding of Lockhart&#8217;s essay is that it was originally intended mainly for reading by the mathematical or educational communities (however you want to define that) and that the more recent attention it has gotten grew out of various postings on the web (e.g. in Keith Devlin&#8217;s MAA column), then the book, and, by now, everywhere (e.g. its recent appearance in Steven Strogatz&#8217;s NYT blog).  The shift in audience, from professional to public, makes me uncomfortable.  </p>
<p>I do not think the public is able to distinguish an earnest gripe by someone who has strong subject knowledge (as Lockhart does) from empty demagoguery from someone with no subject knowledge.  It is ironic: Lockhart&#8217;s rhetoric of lamentation has a long history of use by politicians moonlighting as educators (or vice versa) in support of pet projects&#8212; modifications of standards, curricula, textbook lists, you name it&#8212; that made education in America exactly what Lockhart finds so troubling.</p>
<p>Pick your least favorite attempt to &#8220;change mathematics education in America&#8221;.  Among its proponents, do you not find someone offering the lamentation narrative?  This is what&#8217;s wrong with education, this is how it should be, and isn&#8217;t it tragic that the ignorant and hidebound just don&#8217;t get it?  The hallmark of this style is that no attention is paid to legitimate differences of opinion, interests and constraints that genuinely compete with one another and cannot be reconciled, or indeed anything that does not fit into the lamentation narrative.  </p>
<p>Reading comments on various web forums, Lockhart&#8217;s essay seems to have gone over as a sort of Rohrschach test for what&#8217;s wrong with education.  Anybody can find something they agree with.  Teaching means openness and honesty and loving learning, teaching means talking to students and listening to them&#8230; who could disagree with that?  </p>
<p>This is unfortunate.  Reforming educational practice is necessarily controversial.  Even assuming good faith on all sides (so rare in policy disputes), reasonable people will disagree about what should be done and compromises will have to be made.  It is great when math PhDs take the time to participate in these kinds of discussions, but they have much more to offer than this.  </p>
<p>To me, Lockhart&#8217;s lament is shop talk among professionals that should have stayed that way.  It is as if someone found a rant around the office cooler so compelling that they printed it in a book and sent it to all employees of a company.  Maybe it doesn&#8217;t harm anything, but it doesn&#8217;t help, either.</p>
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		<title>By: John Thacker</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Thacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 22:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a mathematician, and I highly disagree with Lockhart&#039;s critique.  I&#039;ve had classes (and knew people that had classes) that attempted to teach mathematics according to the methods he described, and it was an utter disaster that really killed students&#039; love of mathematics.

The &quot;laboratory mathematics&quot; style of teaching is almost never done well, and done poorly students grasp the point and the beauty of mathematics even less than they do in traditional classes.

He&#039;s well-meaning, but mistaken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a mathematician, and I highly disagree with Lockhart&#8217;s critique.  I&#8217;ve had classes (and knew people that had classes) that attempted to teach mathematics according to the methods he described, and it was an utter disaster that really killed students&#8217; love of mathematics.</p>
<p>The &#8220;laboratory mathematics&#8221; style of teaching is almost never done well, and done poorly students grasp the point and the beauty of mathematics even less than they do in traditional classes.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s well-meaning, but mistaken.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Schlafly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Schlafly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Seattle judge has recently ruled that a change to math teaching was arbitrary and capricious. See &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/curriculum/2010/02/judge_sends_seattle_back_to_dr.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/curriculum/2010/02/judge_sends_seattle_back_to_dr.html&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Seattle judge has recently ruled that a change to math teaching was arbitrary and capricious. See <a href="http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/curriculum/2010/02/judge_sends_seattle_back_to_dr.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/curriculum/2010/02/judge_sends_seattle_back_to_dr.html</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: John Faben</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Faben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hyman, some number of students will go on to fields where understanding Rossian Deontology is very necessary. The question is *how much* should everyone have to learn? I agree that everyone should probably learn basic algebra (by which I mean, manipulating symbols, rather than what a mathematician would mean by algebra) but I&#039;m not so sure about geometry or calculus.

There are two difficult question. First, how much maths should everyone have to know? I would probably draw the line well *below* what is taught as standard in most schools. Second, how should we teach it them? I agree with Lockhart to an extent that giving them more of an idea about what the math they&#039;re learning is *for* would help, but I&#039;m not sure I agree with his methods for doing this (they are excellent methods for training mathematicians, but most people are not going to be mathematicians). 

If you&#039;re going to teach elementary calculus to everyone, why not do it in a physics, or an economics course? Then you at least get to see that the &quot;scales&quot; that you&#039;re practising can be put together to make some sort of tune.

(Disclaimer, I&#039;m still not entirely sure what I think about this issue, and I&#039;ve been thinking about it (at least) since I first read Lockhart&#039;s essay a good few years ago - I&#039;m sure I&#039;ll sort my thoughts out in the end, and discussing it here has possibly helped me to do so).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hyman, some number of students will go on to fields where understanding Rossian Deontology is very necessary. The question is *how much* should everyone have to learn? I agree that everyone should probably learn basic algebra (by which I mean, manipulating symbols, rather than what a mathematician would mean by algebra) but I&#8217;m not so sure about geometry or calculus.</p>
<p>There are two difficult question. First, how much maths should everyone have to know? I would probably draw the line well *below* what is taught as standard in most schools. Second, how should we teach it them? I agree with Lockhart to an extent that giving them more of an idea about what the math they&#8217;re learning is *for* would help, but I&#8217;m not sure I agree with his methods for doing this (they are excellent methods for training mathematicians, but most people are not going to be mathematicians). </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to teach elementary calculus to everyone, why not do it in a physics, or an economics course? Then you at least get to see that the &#8220;scales&#8221; that you&#8217;re practising can be put together to make some sort of tune.</p>
<p>(Disclaimer, I&#8217;m still not entirely sure what I think about this issue, and I&#8217;ve been thinking about it (at least) since I first read Lockhart&#8217;s essay a good few years ago &#8211; I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ll sort my thoughts out in the end, and discussing it here has possibly helped me to do so).</p>
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		<title>By: Hyman Rosen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hyman Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some number of students are going to go into fields where algebra, geometry, and calculus are very necessary. If we&#039;re not going to decide students&#039; futures early in their school careers, we have to give them a grounding in those subjects so that if later on they become interested in one of those careers, they have the proper background to succeed in them. So we teach the basics to everyone. As far as calculus goes, students who are studying calculus should be doing so because they need or want to, not because it&#039;s compulsory. And run-of-the-mill calculus is neither difficult nor especially beautiful, it&#039;s just a great way of describing how things in the world work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some number of students are going to go into fields where algebra, geometry, and calculus are very necessary. If we&#8217;re not going to decide students&#8217; futures early in their school careers, we have to give them a grounding in those subjects so that if later on they become interested in one of those careers, they have the proper background to succeed in them. So we teach the basics to everyone. As far as calculus goes, students who are studying calculus should be doing so because they need or want to, not because it&#8217;s compulsory. And run-of-the-mill calculus is neither difficult nor especially beautiful, it&#8217;s just a great way of describing how things in the world work.</p>
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		<title>By: lukas</title>
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		<dc:creator>lukas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Formal math education exists to teach people enough of the subject so they can use it when they need it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Need it? That may be true for Arithmetic, but certainly not for the subjects deceptively taught under the names of &quot;Algebra&quot;, &quot;Geometry&quot; and &quot;Calculus&quot;? Most folks never need to solve a quadratic equation outside of school, let alone calculate derivatives and the like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Formal math education exists to teach people enough of the subject so they can use it when they need it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Need it? That may be true for Arithmetic, but certainly not for the subjects deceptively taught under the names of &#8220;Algebra&#8221;, &#8220;Geometry&#8221; and &#8220;Calculus&#8221;? Most folks never need to solve a quadratic equation outside of school, let alone calculate derivatives and the like.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps I misinterpret, but Lockhart appears to be a proponent of the &quot;discovery method&quot; of math education.  Here in Seattle, the School District mandated discovery method math textbooks, and they were a disaster.  The parents went to court to prevent a blanket requirement of textbooks with this sort because the students were not getting adequate preparation for college.  The fact is, it is not efficient to motivate students by letting them rediscover Pythagoras&#039; theorem, or whatever. It takes too long even with help.  How can we stand on the shoulders of giants if we expect every generation to rediscover results on its own?  It is okay, of course, to encourage original intuitive and visual thinking in approaching math problems, as well as teaching how the &quot;giants&quot; did their thinking and problem solving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps I misinterpret, but Lockhart appears to be a proponent of the &#8220;discovery method&#8221; of math education.  Here in Seattle, the School District mandated discovery method math textbooks, and they were a disaster.  The parents went to court to prevent a blanket requirement of textbooks with this sort because the students were not getting adequate preparation for college.  The fact is, it is not efficient to motivate students by letting them rediscover Pythagoras&#8217; theorem, or whatever. It takes too long even with help.  How can we stand on the shoulders of giants if we expect every generation to rediscover results on its own?  It is okay, of course, to encourage original intuitive and visual thinking in approaching math problems, as well as teaching how the &#8220;giants&#8221; did their thinking and problem solving.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this essay about a month or two ago.  My impression throughout was someone who pinpointed the exact problem with math education, but devolved into quite a fantasy world when presenting a &#039;solution&#039;.  I think much of math is beautiful, but that is NOT why I am drawn to it.  I am drawn to it because IT EXPLAINS THE WORLD.  The idea that math is removed from anything practical, that it is a &#039;game&#039; to be played, and relishing this type of navel gazing the way Lockhart does (as well as Hardy) I find distasteful and damaging.  Hardy&#039;s proud statement that he studied number theory precisely because it&#039;s useless is the type of statement that makes me want to smack some sense it him.

Math is important precisely because it is useful.  The fact that it is often times beautiful is just gravy.  But like all things that are useful, learning and doing math is a hard, arduous task.  I think there should be more emphasis on actual problem solving and discovery (like Lockhart suggests students discover the rule that the area of a triangle is 1/2*bh), but if we require each generation to discover all things ALL READY known how much intellectual progress will be made?  I hear people generally denigrate drill and memorization without really thinking the matter through.  I know the definition of a limit.  You know why?  I memorized it.  You know how?  I had it drilled into me.

Lockhart disparages the idea of mimicry when solving math problems saying something like students are taught certain proofs, then taught to prove other things mimicking these proofs (I don&#039;t remember exactly what he says) as if this is a bad thing.  My immediate thought was: ALMOST ALL KNOWLEDGE IS GAINED THROUGH MIMICRY.  Disparaging mimicry is disparaging the human experience.  

In summary, Lockhart correctly diagnosis the idiocy of math education and makes a nice analogy through music.  But then goes on to recommend an even greater idiocy by totally mischaracterizing what math is, then recommending a totally feel good, no accountability education style, which will leave us all worse off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this essay about a month or two ago.  My impression throughout was someone who pinpointed the exact problem with math education, but devolved into quite a fantasy world when presenting a &#8217;solution&#8217;.  I think much of math is beautiful, but that is NOT why I am drawn to it.  I am drawn to it because IT EXPLAINS THE WORLD.  The idea that math is removed from anything practical, that it is a &#8216;game&#8217; to be played, and relishing this type of navel gazing the way Lockhart does (as well as Hardy) I find distasteful and damaging.  Hardy&#8217;s proud statement that he studied number theory precisely because it&#8217;s useless is the type of statement that makes me want to smack some sense it him.</p>
<p>Math is important precisely because it is useful.  The fact that it is often times beautiful is just gravy.  But like all things that are useful, learning and doing math is a hard, arduous task.  I think there should be more emphasis on actual problem solving and discovery (like Lockhart suggests students discover the rule that the area of a triangle is 1/2*bh), but if we require each generation to discover all things ALL READY known how much intellectual progress will be made?  I hear people generally denigrate drill and memorization without really thinking the matter through.  I know the definition of a limit.  You know why?  I memorized it.  You know how?  I had it drilled into me.</p>
<p>Lockhart disparages the idea of mimicry when solving math problems saying something like students are taught certain proofs, then taught to prove other things mimicking these proofs (I don&#8217;t remember exactly what he says) as if this is a bad thing.  My immediate thought was: ALMOST ALL KNOWLEDGE IS GAINED THROUGH MIMICRY.  Disparaging mimicry is disparaging the human experience.  </p>
<p>In summary, Lockhart correctly diagnosis the idiocy of math education and makes a nice analogy through music.  But then goes on to recommend an even greater idiocy by totally mischaracterizing what math is, then recommending a totally feel good, no accountability education style, which will leave us all worse off.</p>
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		<title>By: John Faben</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Faben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hyman, surely a major part of Lockhart&#039;s point is that for the vast majority of people almost *none* of the maths they learn at school will be useful at any point in their lives, whatever and however we choose to teach them. 

Similarly, almost none of the English literature, history, economics or biology we teach them will be useful: mathematics unfortunately has the baggage that a lot of what we *could* teach in schools as maths happens to be useful to a few specialists, whereas the other arts are (almost consciously) useless. 

There may be a strong argument that 10+ years of compulsory education is just too much because it&#039;s impossible to teach people useful stuff for 10 years. I can&#039;t see any strong argument that if we *are* going to teach people useless stuff for 10+ years (because we think it makes them better people? because it keeps them off the streets?), we might as well teach them some useless maths, and make it interesting on the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hyman, surely a major part of Lockhart&#8217;s point is that for the vast majority of people almost *none* of the maths they learn at school will be useful at any point in their lives, whatever and however we choose to teach them. </p>
<p>Similarly, almost none of the English literature, history, economics or biology we teach them will be useful: mathematics unfortunately has the baggage that a lot of what we *could* teach in schools as maths happens to be useful to a few specialists, whereas the other arts are (almost consciously) useless. </p>
<p>There may be a strong argument that 10+ years of compulsory education is just too much because it&#8217;s impossible to teach people useful stuff for 10 years. I can&#8217;t see any strong argument that if we *are* going to teach people useless stuff for 10+ years (because we think it makes them better people? because it keeps them off the streets?), we might as well teach them some useless maths, and make it interesting on the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Al V.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three comments:
- I love math, and always enjoy math and logic problems.  However, my children never inherited my love of math, largely because they have been taught via rote memorization, and never had an opportunity to see the beauty - and I&#039;m not a good enough teacher to have brought it to hem.
- My cousin teaches high school math in the Chicago public school system.  His training is in art education, but when his district ran short of math teachers, they shoved him into math.  I&#039;m sure he&#039;s a good teacher, but I doubt he really appreciates the beauty of math, or has a native understanding of it.
- I think many of these arguments could apply to other subjects.  How many students are taught to understand the reasons behind history?  Most of what I remember, and what my children experienced, is rote learning again. Facts, dates, names.  The who, what, where, and when, but not the why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three comments:<br />
- I love math, and always enjoy math and logic problems.  However, my children never inherited my love of math, largely because they have been taught via rote memorization, and never had an opportunity to see the beauty &#8211; and I&#8217;m not a good enough teacher to have brought it to hem.<br />
- My cousin teaches high school math in the Chicago public school system.  His training is in art education, but when his district ran short of math teachers, they shoved him into math.  I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;s a good teacher, but I doubt he really appreciates the beauty of math, or has a native understanding of it.<br />
- I think many of these arguments could apply to other subjects.  How many students are taught to understand the reasons behind history?  Most of what I remember, and what my children experienced, is rote learning again. Facts, dates, names.  The who, what, where, and when, but not the why.</p>
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