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		<title>By: Philip</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigquestions.com/2010/02/17/in-heaven-there-are-no-litter-boxes/comment-page-1/#comment-3074</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 02:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, there are lots of variations on this theme. I was raised in a conservative Presbyterian church with an evangelical pastor, but we also attended a big non-denomiational church when I was in high school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there are lots of variations on this theme. I was raised in a conservative Presbyterian church with an evangelical pastor, but we also attended a big non-denomiational church when I was in high school.</p>
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		<title>By: jj</title>
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		<dc:creator>jj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of people seem very attached to one End Times interpretation or another, but I don&#039;t find the bible to be crystal clear on this matter -- at the very least, I don&#039;t have the discernment to see one obvious correct interpretation.

In fact, in light of that, I&#039;ll have to cut my 50% estimate in half to 25%, and I&#039;ll add caveat 5) My preferred interpretation is wrong.

(Philip - I&#039;d never heard your church&#039;s interpretation before, and I&#039;ve heard a few... what kind of church?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of people seem very attached to one End Times interpretation or another, but I don&#8217;t find the bible to be crystal clear on this matter &#8212; at the very least, I don&#8217;t have the discernment to see one obvious correct interpretation.</p>
<p>In fact, in light of that, I&#8217;ll have to cut my 50% estimate in half to 25%, and I&#8217;ll add caveat 5) My preferred interpretation is wrong.</p>
<p>(Philip &#8211; I&#8217;d never heard your church&#8217;s interpretation before, and I&#8217;ve heard a few&#8230; what kind of church?)</p>
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		<title>By: Philip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 18:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jj-

Re: #1:  No need to worry about the world going on forever. Either we&#039;ll make it inhabitable, a collision with an asteroid will destroy it, or eventually the termination of the sun with a bang or a whimper will finish us off.

I grew up in the church, listened to Garner Ted Armstrong on the radio (taking seriously his derision of evolution by mocking the idea that ground squirrels could evolve into flying squirrels by jumping from trees until one sprouted wings and survived the fall), watched Billy Graham on TV (even met him), was saved and witnessed from the pulpit, and heard a great deal about the end times from my parents&#039; prayer groups. 

If I recall the sequence of events correctly, the Jews return to Israel and build the new temple, the anti-christ appears and gathers an army, desecrates the temple and is defeated by the army of God. Then follows the first rapture of the 144,000 designated Jews. The great tribulation then occurs and lasts for several years followed by the resurrection of the dead believers, the second coming and the great rapture of believers. More follows.

This series of events always reassured me because I figured I had plenty of time to &quot;get right with God&quot; since I had a couple years after 144,000 Jews disappeared and the tribulations transpired. Even if the tribulations weren&#039;t bad enough to be recognizable because of all the sinfulness that preceded it, I figured 144,000 Jews disappearing wasn&#039;t going to be missed for long. (This is probably the root of my subsequent fall from grace when I went to college.)

It&#039;s plausible that all these events preceding the second rapture could occur within 50 years but it seems improbable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jj-</p>
<p>Re: #1:  No need to worry about the world going on forever. Either we&#8217;ll make it inhabitable, a collision with an asteroid will destroy it, or eventually the termination of the sun with a bang or a whimper will finish us off.</p>
<p>I grew up in the church, listened to Garner Ted Armstrong on the radio (taking seriously his derision of evolution by mocking the idea that ground squirrels could evolve into flying squirrels by jumping from trees until one sprouted wings and survived the fall), watched Billy Graham on TV (even met him), was saved and witnessed from the pulpit, and heard a great deal about the end times from my parents&#8217; prayer groups. </p>
<p>If I recall the sequence of events correctly, the Jews return to Israel and build the new temple, the anti-christ appears and gathers an army, desecrates the temple and is defeated by the army of God. Then follows the first rapture of the 144,000 designated Jews. The great tribulation then occurs and lasts for several years followed by the resurrection of the dead believers, the second coming and the great rapture of believers. More follows.</p>
<p>This series of events always reassured me because I figured I had plenty of time to &#8220;get right with God&#8221; since I had a couple years after 144,000 Jews disappeared and the tribulations transpired. Even if the tribulations weren&#8217;t bad enough to be recognizable because of all the sinfulness that preceded it, I figured 144,000 Jews disappearing wasn&#8217;t going to be missed for long. (This is probably the root of my subsequent fall from grace when I went to college.)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s plausible that all these events preceding the second rapture could occur within 50 years but it seems improbable.</p>
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		<title>By: jj</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigquestions.com/2010/02/17/in-heaven-there-are-no-litter-boxes/comment-page-1/#comment-3040</link>
		<dc:creator>jj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff - I&#039;m really not firm on the 50%, but it&#039;s my best guess.  I don&#039;t find the Doomsday logic very convincing.  But here are a few reasons:

1) Just a failure of my imagination -- I can&#039;t imagine the world going on forever, especially with the drastic and accelerating pace of change. I just can&#039;t see God waiting until humanity lives 99% of the time in a virtual world, for example.

2) I&#039;d expect the rapture before any earthwide calamity, which I don&#039;t know if we can avoid forever -- nuclear war, 12-monkeys type biological warfare, etc.

3) Supposedly mankind will become more sinful towards the end -- it&#039;s kind of hard to judge if that&#039;s happening now, so I won&#039;t try.  But I think medical technology presents the opportunity for a lot more kinds of sins (say, cloning yourself just to harvest organs -- that might be wrong, I can&#039;t even say for sure).

4) Most importantly, prophecy says that the end will come within the generation that sees the jews restored to Israel, as happened in 1948.  There&#039;s still enough ambiguity here that I&#039;m not taking this event as 100% fulfilled, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff &#8211; I&#8217;m really not firm on the 50%, but it&#8217;s my best guess.  I don&#8217;t find the Doomsday logic very convincing.  But here are a few reasons:</p>
<p>1) Just a failure of my imagination &#8212; I can&#8217;t imagine the world going on forever, especially with the drastic and accelerating pace of change. I just can&#8217;t see God waiting until humanity lives 99% of the time in a virtual world, for example.</p>
<p>2) I&#8217;d expect the rapture before any earthwide calamity, which I don&#8217;t know if we can avoid forever &#8212; nuclear war, 12-monkeys type biological warfare, etc.</p>
<p>3) Supposedly mankind will become more sinful towards the end &#8212; it&#8217;s kind of hard to judge if that&#8217;s happening now, so I won&#8217;t try.  But I think medical technology presents the opportunity for a lot more kinds of sins (say, cloning yourself just to harvest organs &#8212; that might be wrong, I can&#8217;t even say for sure).</p>
<p>4) Most importantly, prophecy says that the end will come within the generation that sees the jews restored to Israel, as happened in 1948.  There&#8217;s still enough ambiguity here that I&#8217;m not taking this event as 100% fulfilled, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gil-

Great idea. I&#039;m going to put an ad on craigslist today offering to pay someone to care for my pet after the Rapture. I&#039;ll report back on responses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gil-</p>
<p>Great idea. I&#8217;m going to put an ad on craigslist today offering to pay someone to care for my pet after the Rapture. I&#8217;ll report back on responses.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Kariv</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Kariv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 06:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Gil says above. MAybe they just haven&#039;t heard of this service. I don&#039;t think I had before reading this post? Any idea how well this service is being marketed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Gil says above. MAybe they just haven&#8217;t heard of this service. I don&#8217;t think I had before reading this post? Any idea how well this service is being marketed?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Semel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Semel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 04:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jj:  Accepting for the purpose of discussion the Left Behind theology, I am curious as to why you assign a subjective probability of 50 percent that the rapture will happen in your lifetime.  After all, it&#039;s been 2000 years since Christ came; why not 2000 more?

Did you borrow any logic from the classic Doomsday hypothesis?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jj:  Accepting for the purpose of discussion the Left Behind theology, I am curious as to why you assign a subjective probability of 50 percent that the rapture will happen in your lifetime.  After all, it&#8217;s been 2000 years since Christ came; why not 2000 more?</p>
<p>Did you borrow any logic from the classic Doomsday hypothesis?</p>
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		<title>By: ryan yin</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryan yin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, I wonder if this is a real adverse selection/unenforceable contract problem.  I mean, if &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; made this offer, would you have any intention of fulfilling it?  (By definition no, right?)  And if I thought I was about to be Raptured (is that the verb), wouldn&#039;t it also follow that I also think that post-Rapture, you&#039;ll have enough problems on your hands?  And it&#039;s not like I can sue you for breach of contract if you don&#039;t do what you promised.  

Which is to say: no matter how funny the joke, I will take every opportunity to ruin it :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I wonder if this is a real adverse selection/unenforceable contract problem.  I mean, if <i>you</i> made this offer, would you have any intention of fulfilling it?  (By definition no, right?)  And if I thought I was about to be Raptured (is that the verb), wouldn&#8217;t it also follow that I also think that post-Rapture, you&#8217;ll have enough problems on your hands?  And it&#8217;s not like I can sue you for breach of contract if you don&#8217;t do what you promised.  </p>
<p>Which is to say: no matter how funny the joke, I will take every opportunity to ruin it :-)</p>
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		<title>By: jj</title>
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		<dc:creator>jj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Opportunity cost -- that $100 can keep a human alive today, rather than a pet in the hypothetical future.  So the real question to judge my beliefs is, what did I end up doing with the $100?  That&#039;s one I grapple with all the time.  And it is (arguably) a lot more complicated than &quot;so give all your money to the poor&quot; -- and even once that question is answered, there&#039;s still the fact that &quot;the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak&quot;.
In short I think the revealed preferences case is thought-provoking but far from conclusive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opportunity cost &#8212; that $100 can keep a human alive today, rather than a pet in the hypothetical future.  So the real question to judge my beliefs is, what did I end up doing with the $100?  That&#8217;s one I grapple with all the time.  And it is (arguably) a lot more complicated than &#8220;so give all your money to the poor&#8221; &#8212; and even once that question is answered, there&#8217;s still the fact that &#8220;the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak&#8221;.<br />
In short I think the revealed preferences case is thought-provoking but far from conclusive.</p>
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		<title>By: Gil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 07:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are all 30 million pet owners?

And, maybe most of those who are haven&#039;t heard of this service, or have made their own private arrangements for their pets.  

Maybe they&#039;re using craigslist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are all 30 million pet owners?</p>
<p>And, maybe most of those who are haven&#8217;t heard of this service, or have made their own private arrangements for their pets.  </p>
<p>Maybe they&#8217;re using craigslist.</p>
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