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		<title>By: Quote Of The Day at Hispanic Pundit</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigquestions.com/2010/05/24/thats-rich/comment-page-1/#comment-7166</link>
		<dc:creator>Quote Of The Day at Hispanic Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 07:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Act ought to acknowledge that it raises legitimate concerns about property rights.&#8221; &#8212; Steve Landsburg, Professor of economics at the University of Rochester and author of The Big Questions   Share and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Act ought to acknowledge that it raises legitimate concerns about property rights.&#8221; &#8212; Steve Landsburg, Professor of economics at the University of Rochester and author of The Big Questions   Share and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Weekend Roundup at Steven Landsburg &#124; The Big Questions: Tackling the Problems of Philosophy with Ideas from Mathematics, Economics, and Physics</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigquestions.com/2010/05/24/thats-rich/comment-page-1/#comment-7078</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekend Roundup at Steven Landsburg &#124; The Big Questions: Tackling the Problems of Philosophy with Ideas from Mathematics, Economics, and Physics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 06:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] three (count &#8216;em: one, two, three) spirited discussions of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, one exploration of the perils of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 13:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair question.

Liberty is the freedom of human beings to pursue their own happiness, coupled with a responsibility for their actions.  (The second part of often forgotten.) The ownership of property and the rights that such ownership entail are a means, but certainly not the only one, of ensuring liberty, and some limitations on property rights (which have always been there) are not inconsistent with acheiving that goal.

I see property rights as an institution of the state (a good one), and there are limits on them, like eminent domain.  Without that, your property rights consist of what you can keep with your Smith and Wesson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair question.</p>
<p>Liberty is the freedom of human beings to pursue their own happiness, coupled with a responsibility for their actions.  (The second part of often forgotten.) The ownership of property and the rights that such ownership entail are a means, but certainly not the only one, of ensuring liberty, and some limitations on property rights (which have always been there) are not inconsistent with acheiving that goal.</p>
<p>I see property rights as an institution of the state (a good one), and there are limits on them, like eminent domain.  Without that, your property rights consist of what you can keep with your Smith and Wesson.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Landsburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Landsburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 11:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil:  I don&#039;t understand your distinction between &quot;liberty&quot; on the one hand and &quot;property rights&quot; on the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil:  I don&#8217;t understand your distinction between &#8220;liberty&#8221; on the one hand and &#8220;property rights&#8221; on the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Civil Rights Act&#8212;Some Final Words at Steven Landsburg &#124; The Big Questions: Tackling the Problems of Philosophy with Ideas from Mathematics, Economics, and Physics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Civil Rights Act&#8212;Some Final Words at Steven Landsburg &#124; The Big Questions: Tackling the Problems of Philosophy with Ideas from Mathematics, Economics, and Physics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 06:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Monday I insisted that all reasonable people should be at least mildly disturbed by the diminution of property rights implicit in a ban on whites-only lunch counters. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigquestions.com/2010/05/24/thats-rich/comment-page-1/#comment-6968</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 04:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve:

I guess it is because liberty and not executing innocent persons are clearly ends, desirable in and of themselves, whereas &quot;property rights&quot; are not an end, but a means to an end.  How does the CWA compromise the ends or purposes that property rights are meant to serve?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve:</p>
<p>I guess it is because liberty and not executing innocent persons are clearly ends, desirable in and of themselves, whereas &#8220;property rights&#8221; are not an end, but a means to an end.  How does the CWA compromise the ends or purposes that property rights are meant to serve?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Landsburg</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigquestions.com/2010/05/24/thats-rich/comment-page-1/#comment-6963</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Landsburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 02:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mason:  I am not sure I get the distinction you&#039;re making.  The direct consequences of the Patriot Act, at least according to its supporters, are that we are made more secure at the expense of sacrificing some liberty.  The direct consequences of capital punishment is that we deter murderers at the expense of occasionally executing an innocent person by mistake.  The direct consequences of CRA are that we achieve more racial integration at the expense of property rights.  Why is one of these more abstract or less direct than another?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mason:  I am not sure I get the distinction you&#8217;re making.  The direct consequences of the Patriot Act, at least according to its supporters, are that we are made more secure at the expense of sacrificing some liberty.  The direct consequences of capital punishment is that we deter murderers at the expense of occasionally executing an innocent person by mistake.  The direct consequences of CRA are that we achieve more racial integration at the expense of property rights.  Why is one of these more abstract or less direct than another?</p>
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		<title>By: Mason Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mason Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 01:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a fundamental difference between the CRA &#039;64 and the other cases you mention.

No one argues that the direct outcome of the CRA &#039;64 is bad. Rand Paul (and most libertarians?) may argue that a loss of property rights is bad in the abstract, but no one argues that we as a society are worse off because businesses are racially integrated. (I would go one step further to suggest that most people would distance themselves from anyone who would make that argument). 

Opponents of the Patriot Act and capital punishment, however, take issue with the direct results of those actions. The detractors of these cases aren&#039;t arguing in the abstract; they are firmly grounded in direct, concrete consequences. 

Even if there is a &quot;principled&quot; argument to be made against Title II of CRA &#039;64, the fact is that people don&#039;t live in a principled world.   Purely theoretical oppositions just don&#039;t make as strong a case as the concrete oppositions posed against the Patriot Act and capital punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a fundamental difference between the CRA &#8217;64 and the other cases you mention.</p>
<p>No one argues that the direct outcome of the CRA &#8217;64 is bad. Rand Paul (and most libertarians?) may argue that a loss of property rights is bad in the abstract, but no one argues that we as a society are worse off because businesses are racially integrated. (I would go one step further to suggest that most people would distance themselves from anyone who would make that argument). </p>
<p>Opponents of the Patriot Act and capital punishment, however, take issue with the direct results of those actions. The detractors of these cases aren&#8217;t arguing in the abstract; they are firmly grounded in direct, concrete consequences. </p>
<p>Even if there is a &#8220;principled&#8221; argument to be made against Title II of CRA &#8217;64, the fact is that people don&#8217;t live in a principled world.   Purely theoretical oppositions just don&#8217;t make as strong a case as the concrete oppositions posed against the Patriot Act and capital punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 22:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On what basis is the presumption of privacy founded other than those guarantees in the 4th Amendment to the Constitution?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On what basis is the presumption of privacy founded other than those guarantees in the 4th Amendment to the Constitution?</p>
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		<title>By: Assorted Links (5/25/2010) &#8211; Jim Garven&#39;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Assorted Links (5/25/2010) &#8211; Jim Garven&#39;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 17:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and violent as Greece undoubtedly is, it&#8217;s not that untypical&#8230;&#8221;           &#160; That&#8217;s Rich at Steven Landsburg &#124; The Big Questions: Tackling the Problems of Philosophy with ... Source: www.thebigquestions.com   &#8220;It&#8217;s now crystal clear what the Tea Party stands [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and violent as Greece undoubtedly is, it&rsquo;s not that untypical&hellip;&rdquo;           &nbsp; That&rsquo;s Rich at Steven Landsburg | The Big Questions: Tackling the Problems of Philosophy with &#8230; Source: <a href="http://www.thebigquestions.com">http://www.thebigquestions.com</a>   &#8220;It&rsquo;s now crystal clear what the Tea Party stands [...]</p>
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