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		<title>By: Al D Phillips</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigquestions.com/2012/04/16/lifeboats-on-the-titanic/comment-page-1/#comment-49564</link>
		<dc:creator>Al D Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 23:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry I did not intend to imply they should should have hit the iceberg on purpose, but rather to suggest that had they accidenally hit it without seeing it the results would have been better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry I did not intend to imply they should should have hit the iceberg on purpose, but rather to suggest that had they accidenally hit it without seeing it the results would have been better.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Glass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Glass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 06:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;em&gt;Had the officer in charge of the bridge not reversed the engines and tried to turn at full power, or even hit the iceberg head on, the Titanic probably wouldn’t have sunk.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Here&#039;s the video on the report I mentioned in my prior comment:
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/SSTi

It concludes the bridge officers made the optimum turn, anything else would have been worse (e.g. by slashing the stern as well) apart from steering directly *into* the berg.  The bow of the ship was by far the strongest portion because the highest risk of collision was head-on.  Also, only the forward water-tight compartment (or two) would have been ruptured. The ship and people on it would have been fine -- except for the unfortunate crew members who had living quarters in the bow.  But who steers directly into an obstacle?

&lt;em&gt;&quot;The Titanic’s sister ship Olympic rammed a U-boat during WWI and survived.&quot;&lt;/em&gt; 

Ramming a U-boat would have been like squashing a grape for Titanic.  But remember how Titanic&#039;s other sister ship Britannic also went to the bottom on its maiden voyage in WWI, in a near inexplicable manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<em>Had the officer in charge of the bridge not reversed the engines and tried to turn at full power, or even hit the iceberg head on, the Titanic probably wouldn’t have sunk.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the video on the report I mentioned in my prior comment:<br />
<a href="http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/SSTi" rel="external">http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/SSTi</a></p>
<p>It concludes the bridge officers made the optimum turn, anything else would have been worse (e.g. by slashing the stern as well) apart from steering directly *into* the berg.  The bow of the ship was by far the strongest portion because the highest risk of collision was head-on.  Also, only the forward water-tight compartment (or two) would have been ruptured. The ship and people on it would have been fine &#8212; except for the unfortunate crew members who had living quarters in the bow.  But who steers directly into an obstacle?</p>
<p><em>&#8220;The Titanic’s sister ship Olympic rammed a U-boat during WWI and survived.&#8221;</em> </p>
<p>Ramming a U-boat would have been like squashing a grape for Titanic.  But remember how Titanic&#8217;s other sister ship Britannic also went to the bottom on its maiden voyage in WWI, in a near inexplicable manner.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Glass</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigquestions.com/2012/04/16/lifeboats-on-the-titanic/comment-page-1/#comment-49348</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Glass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 06:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Late comment on this thread, with some things not mentioned above.

I don&#039;t think anyone noted that the lifeboats they had sailed off 40% empty.  They&#039;d have done better to have lifeboat drills.

Also, the definitive 100-year review of the sinking pretty much debunks all the popular stories about low-quality steel, money-saving shortcuts that sacrificed safety, etc.  The Titanic was actually extremely well built, over engineered re specifications, the safest of ships of the era.

In fact, during the CSPAN (so you know how dry and detailed it was) program on the review one of its authors said White Star line &quot;overcompensated&quot; by building in very expensive but pointless safety improvements in its other ships after the Titanic sinking.

The fact is that Titanic sideswiped a berg that sliced through five of its watertight compartments. No ship was going to survive that. But it was an extremely low probability event.

Now, if the bridge officers had steered directly *into* the berg (rather than away from it, leading to the sideswipe) it would have kept sailing right on home with a dented bow, and today be the answer to a trivia question: &quot;What famous ocean liner steered straight into an iceberg on its maiden voyage?&quot; But who making an instant decision is going to decide to steer a ship *into* an iceberg?

BTW, Titanic&#039;s sister ship Britannic *also* sank on its maiden voyage(!) -- even after all the extra safety improvements were built into it.  It was serving as a hospital ship in WWI when it either hit a mine or was hit by a German torpedo.  

The thing is, such a small explosion should have done little damage to such a big ship with so many (more!) water-tight compartments ... but Britannic sank like a stone with serious loss of life. Why it sank so quickly is to this day a much bigger mystery than the causes of the Titanic&#039;s sinking ... though it&#039;s never gotten the public&#039;s attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Late comment on this thread, with some things not mentioned above.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone noted that the lifeboats they had sailed off 40% empty.  They&#8217;d have done better to have lifeboat drills.</p>
<p>Also, the definitive 100-year review of the sinking pretty much debunks all the popular stories about low-quality steel, money-saving shortcuts that sacrificed safety, etc.  The Titanic was actually extremely well built, over engineered re specifications, the safest of ships of the era.</p>
<p>In fact, during the CSPAN (so you know how dry and detailed it was) program on the review one of its authors said White Star line &#8220;overcompensated&#8221; by building in very expensive but pointless safety improvements in its other ships after the Titanic sinking.</p>
<p>The fact is that Titanic sideswiped a berg that sliced through five of its watertight compartments. No ship was going to survive that. But it was an extremely low probability event.</p>
<p>Now, if the bridge officers had steered directly *into* the berg (rather than away from it, leading to the sideswipe) it would have kept sailing right on home with a dented bow, and today be the answer to a trivia question: &#8220;What famous ocean liner steered straight into an iceberg on its maiden voyage?&#8221; But who making an instant decision is going to decide to steer a ship *into* an iceberg?</p>
<p>BTW, Titanic&#8217;s sister ship Britannic *also* sank on its maiden voyage(!) &#8212; even after all the extra safety improvements were built into it.  It was serving as a hospital ship in WWI when it either hit a mine or was hit by a German torpedo.  </p>
<p>The thing is, such a small explosion should have done little damage to such a big ship with so many (more!) water-tight compartments &#8230; but Britannic sank like a stone with serious loss of life. Why it sank so quickly is to this day a much bigger mystery than the causes of the Titanic&#8217;s sinking &#8230; though it&#8217;s never gotten the public&#8217;s attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Al D Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al D Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 22:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Had the officer in charge of the bridge not reversed the engines and tried to turn at full power, or even hit the iceberg head on, the Titanic probably wouldn&#039;t have sunk. 

The Titanic&#039;s sister ship Olympic rammed a U-boat during WWI and survived.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had the officer in charge of the bridge not reversed the engines and tried to turn at full power, or even hit the iceberg head on, the Titanic probably wouldn&#8217;t have sunk. </p>
<p>The Titanic&#8217;s sister ship Olympic rammed a U-boat during WWI and survived.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Karlson</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigquestions.com/2012/04/16/lifeboats-on-the-titanic/comment-page-1/#comment-49163</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Karlson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mightn&#039;t the higher first class fare have included an implicit premium for faster access to the boats?  (A colleague with some expertise in the history of ocean shipping suggested this years ago.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mightn&#8217;t the higher first class fare have included an implicit premium for faster access to the boats?  (A colleague with some expertise in the history of ocean shipping suggested this years ago.)</p>
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		<title>By: kiapita</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigquestions.com/2012/04/16/lifeboats-on-the-titanic/comment-page-1/#comment-49123</link>
		<dc:creator>kiapita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 04:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that some historians have pointed out is that the lifeboats on a ship the size of an ocean liner of the time were not intended to hold the entire passenger list and crew afloat for an indefinite period of time.  Their main purpose was to ferry passengers to whatever ships came to aid.  Remember that that the sea lanes were crawling with ships at all times.  One of many aspects of bad luck that struck the Titanic that night (struck, get it?) was that the nearest ship was the Carpathia, 4 hours away.  Except, of course, for the nearby mystery ship that some have speculated was the California, although this has never been proven. If an ship of any size had been within 2 hours or less, the number of lifeboats would not have been an issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that some historians have pointed out is that the lifeboats on a ship the size of an ocean liner of the time were not intended to hold the entire passenger list and crew afloat for an indefinite period of time.  Their main purpose was to ferry passengers to whatever ships came to aid.  Remember that that the sea lanes were crawling with ships at all times.  One of many aspects of bad luck that struck the Titanic that night (struck, get it?) was that the nearest ship was the Carpathia, 4 hours away.  Except, of course, for the nearby mystery ship that some have speculated was the California, although this has never been proven. If an ship of any size had been within 2 hours or less, the number of lifeboats would not have been an issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Shel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 02:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an information asymmetry between the company and the passengers. The company obviously makes more profits by hiding the risk to sell more tickets than showing it to charge for extra lifeboats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an information asymmetry between the company and the passengers. The company obviously makes more profits by hiding the risk to sell more tickets than showing it to charge for extra lifeboats.</p>
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		<title>By: Potpourri</title>
		<link>http://www.thebigquestions.com/2012/04/16/lifeboats-on-the-titanic/comment-page-1/#comment-48844</link>
		<dc:creator>Potpourri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2012 00:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If you&#8217;re the type of person who thinks it&#8217;s obvious that the Titanic should have had more lifeboats, then you&#8217;re obviously not an economist. (I&#8217;m not being snarky; I&#8217;ve often [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If you&#8217;re the type of person who thinks it&#8217;s obvious that the Titanic should have had more lifeboats, then you&#8217;re obviously not an economist. (I&#8217;m not being snarky; I&#8217;ve often [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MIke</title>
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		<dc:creator>MIke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be willing to pay a substantial amount to avoid experiencing the horror of listening to thousands drowning in the waters surrounding my lifeboat.  Apparently many Titanic survivors were permanently scarred by this experience, which is easily understood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be willing to pay a substantial amount to avoid experiencing the horror of listening to thousands drowning in the waters surrounding my lifeboat.  Apparently many Titanic survivors were permanently scarred by this experience, which is easily understood.</p>
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		<title>By: Al D Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al D Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even guaranteeing a physical seat on a lifeboat might not have saved your life. There would not have been enough time to launch them all. Even though it took over two hours to sink,they barely got the last few in the water upright.
 
If I were travelling on Titanic 3rd class I probably would not have spoken English and been woken up at midnight by a crewman speaking incomprehensible. I would&#039;ve had to understand English and figure out how to get through hallways up top to the lifeboat deck. But also been blocked by locked gates.

Had the ship sitting ten miles away had been listening to its radio, it would have arrived in an hour to rescue the poor souls</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even guaranteeing a physical seat on a lifeboat might not have saved your life. There would not have been enough time to launch them all. Even though it took over two hours to sink,they barely got the last few in the water upright.</p>
<p>If I were travelling on Titanic 3rd class I probably would not have spoken English and been woken up at midnight by a crewman speaking incomprehensible. I would&#8217;ve had to understand English and figure out how to get through hallways up top to the lifeboat deck. But also been blocked by locked gates.</p>
<p>Had the ship sitting ten miles away had been listening to its radio, it would have arrived in an hour to rescue the poor souls</p>
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